Here I decided to make a post out of some comments from my earlier posts on the Florida Healing Outpouring - Todd Bentley and the Seat of Scoffers. Those posts can be found here, here and here. The fact that Todd Bentley claims an angel named Emma visited him is creating a bit of a stir from the on-line revival police (aka the “Bible Diests” to use a Jack Deere term). First, I’ll let you read about Emma from Bentley himself. Then I repost my reflections on this which I wrote in the comment section of one of the earlier posts mentioned above.
EMMA, ANGEL OF THE PROPHETIC by Todd Bentley (entire article here)
Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life.
She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold dust on people. “God, what is happening?” I asked. The Lord answered: “She is releasing the gold, which is both the revelation and the financial breakthrough that I am bringing into this church. I want you to prophecy that Emma showed up in this service-the same angel that appeared in Kansas city-as a sign that I am endorsing and releasing a prophetic spirit in the church.” See, when angels come, they always come for a reason; we need to actually ask God what the purpose is. Within three weeks of that visitation, the church had given me the biggest offering I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands! Even though the entire community consisted of only three thousand people, weeks after I left the church the pastor testified that the church offerings had either doubled or tripled…
I believe Emma released a financial and prophetic anointing in that place. That was the first angel that I have ever seen in the form of a woman. Some angels I’ve seen seemed like they were neither male nor female. However, Emma appeared as a woman who was like a Deborah, like a mother in Zion. When she came, she began to mentor, nurture and opened up a prophetic well. The people in the church began having trances and visions and the pastor began getting words of knowledge and moving in healing. That congregation also saw more financial breakthrough than they had ever seen before.
Regarding your question about Todd Bentley and the angel Emma… Certainly angels visit people and speak to them. They are “ministering spirits sent to serve those who inherit salvation.” They are angelos - messengers. In Acts 8:26 an angel shows up and speaks to Philip about which road to go down to meet up with the Etheopian Eunuch. And, absolutely, angels have names - Gabriel, Michael, etc. Demons are fallen angels and we have numerous named fallen angels in Scripture - Legion, Abaddon, Lucifer, Prince of the Power of Persia, Mammon, Beelzbub, etc. Those in our deliverance ministry will tell you demonic spirits have identities that are often related to their assignments - spirit of perversion, spirit of division, spirit of infirmity or fear. Angels are no different, some minister before the throne of God, others in the dark corners of the earth. Some bring supply, some war on our behalf. They have assignments and identities. The seminaries I went to didn’t teach angelogy or demonology - they are good evangelical schools but they have no theology of the supernatural. I had to learn this stuff right from the Bible.
Angelic activity is increasing in the earth as is demonic activity and both will continue to increase until we reach the great conflict of the ages. I praise God for angelic activity, visitations and have several stories of personal interaction with angels myself and many, many more visitations and sightings at our church.
That an angel named Emma or “Winds of Change” visited these revival leaders is nothing to fret about at all. Even the fact that Satan comes as an “angel of light” says volumes about how active angels are in the world and the Body of Christ today. Satan is just trying to blend in with what God is doing and pull a few people off course.
God send more angels! Each weekend at Church at the Gate I ask for God to send angels to minister and bring the atmosphere of heaven in our worship services. Spiritually sensitive people frequently, almost weekly, comment to me they see angels in worship at our church or around the premises or in prayer meetings. Why are we surprised and skeptical? The Bible says they are ministering spirits send to serve us?
I’ll share one personal story. My wife and I were in Idaho praying with a another couple. The man said, “Pastor Steve do you know that you have angels around you right now?” I said, “I guess, aren’t they all around?” I meant like in a generic way, aren’t angels out and about anyways? He said, “open your eyes.” I did and I looked and saw two huge angels, one on my right and one on my left.
My wife didn’t see them. But I did and so did he. A week later I was back home and was heading to the church at 6 AM on a Sunday morning. I was tired, not ready to preach, discouraged, beat up, etc. As I drove to church I prayed that God would help me and that he’d send those two angels to me again, the one on the right and the one on the left and that they would pouring refreshment and strength over my life.
In our second worship service that day I was praying and notably in full strength again. At the conclusion of the service, a college girl in our church, now married, named Marissa, came up to me with a note written on the blank half of her Sunday bulletin. I have the note under the clear plastic mat on the top of my desk. The note basically says, “Pastor Steve, while you were praying in the service today I peeked and saw two massive angels standing over you pouring bowls of refreshment on you, one was on your right and one was on your left. I thought you’d want to know.”
Marissa will tell you today that she had no idea I’d seen those angels the week before or asked God to send them to me again that day. Today I welcome angelic activity, visitations and sightings do nothing except fire up my faith that God is at work in our midst! Imagine though that I were to “go public” (as Bentley has) with the fact that two “angels of refreshment” visited me twice. I suppose the unloving and anonymous heresy hunters would have my hide too. I’m thrilled to hear angels are visiting Todd Bentley. I hope angels visit you too.
Be careful of listening to the scoffers online whose “doctrine” is based on their experience in things supernatural - or in this case their lack of experience. The Word of God says God uses angels to minister to us and even speak to us.
UPDATED: A big thanks to LadyofFe for sharing this verse in the comments section. The verse speaks of two female angels “Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork….” Zechariah 5:9 This is an interesting and important reference as some in the seat of scoffers are making the absurb claim that angels can only appear as men.


18 comments
June 4, 2008 at 6:41 pm
PC
Steve, You Rock! What an awesome testimony about seeing the angels and Marissa confirming it. I’m reminded of the photos from nightwatch, Nigeria, various places and worship times that where full of white circles (orbs). I agree with you in asking the Lord to dispatch the Hosts of Heaven to the Gate - Sioux Falls - the region and nations of the earth!
June 5, 2008 at 3:03 am
Steve Hickey
Caron123 - I decided to not post your comment because it and the links provided were related to the Word of Faith movement and that is not the subject of my posts. This post was about angel appearances. FYI - I’m not a “Word of Faith” guy and the revival I’m discussing isn’t coming from the Word of Faith Camp nor is it being embraced by these Word of Faith leaders referenced in the links. Does Southwestern Seminary really teach God doesn’t heal today? If so that’s sad and hugely unBiblical. Blessings to you!
June 5, 2008 at 4:45 am
Pat
Hey Pastor Steve, I affirm angelic activity and am so grateful for it. There are many stories I and others at Christ Community Church could tell you. A couple of weeks ago I had a going away party for our kids and took lots of pictures. It has been common since we bought this house 1 1//2 years ago to see orbs in the pictures but this time I caught 2 that were bigger and brighter than ever! We have invited the Spirit of God and His messengers to dwell with us. Although I have not seen them with the physical eye, we know they are here and many people who come to visit attest to it. I’m sorry that some people don’t believe or are afraid of demons, they are missing out on the greatness and good gifts of God!
June 5, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Steve Hickey
Pat / PC– Amen!
I just got a comment on another post from LadyofFe that shows two female angels in Zechariah 5:9
Zechariah 5:9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork
This is an interesting and important reference as those in the seat of scoffers are saying angels can only be men.
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June 11, 2008 at 5:49 am
Chris Perver
I find your teaching that we have to pray for angels to be released to us rather bizarre. I do believe angels are sent by God to minister unto us. I am presently reading the Heavenly Man, which is full of genuine miraculous occurances. But nowhere does the Bible state we should pray for angels to come. As for your reference to female angels, you have to remember that the stork is an unclean bird according to Old Testament law (Leviticus 11:19). When the prophet asks what this vision means, he is told, “This is wickedness”, Zech 5:8. Clearly these “angels” in Zechariah are not undertaking a godly task, which gives me even more cause for concern over Todd’s female angel.
June 11, 2008 at 6:36 am
Steve Hickey
Chris - your comments are appreciated! My response is as follows… are we limited in what we can ask the Father for to only things specifically mentioned in the Bible? I’m trying to think here if there is a place that specifically says we are to pray for lost relatives to receive Christ?
Angels are ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation. Some would say they are therefore at our service, God’s gift to us. At the Temptation of Christ it was clear legions could be commanded by Jesus to his side at any moment. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking God to send angels. He is the Captain of the Host and these beings exist to aid us in Kingdom work. The church has such a weak angelology. The evangelical seminaries I went to had nothing to say about them.
Regarding the Zech. 5 reference…. yep those are female fallen angels and I should have clarified as such. Thanks for pointing that out. But even there, it makes my point. One third of the angels are fallen, right? If there are fallen angels appearing as female, it follows there are non-fallen angels appearing as female. I do not understand the hang up on the gender of angels.
June 14, 2008 at 7:31 am
PC
Chris, I don’t recall anywhere in the scripture referring to people going to the bathroom. Does that mean we shouldn’t use the bathroom?
1Cor 14:34 says “women should keep silent in the church, for they are not permitted to speak”. Verse 35b “..For it is shameful for women to speak in church”. Are women allowed to speak in your church?
Luke 11:9-13 Jesus tells us to ask for good things from our father. I find it hard to believe that is we ask for angel to minister in the name of Jesus, He will send us a demon. Verse 13 tell us what to ask for - more of The Holy Spirit. If the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead lives in us, are we unable to discern the difference between darkness and light?
June 16, 2008 at 9:36 am
Nikole
The first thought that comes to mind is again out of the book of Exodus. In Exodus 23 (starting at verse 20) God tells his people that he is sending an angel before them to protect them and lead them on their journey. He specifically says that they are to obey
June 16, 2008 at 9:41 am
Nikole
Sorry about that — I got click happy — to finish my post, I was saying that it says they are to obey the angel and not to rebel as he is God’s representative. Again, to reitterate what Steve and PC have said, the Bible makes it very clear that angels are representatives of the Lord. If they were there to protect the Israelites on their journey, we can ask that he send angels to protect us. If they were ministering to people in the Bible, why would they not minister to us today?
June 19, 2008 at 5:49 pm
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June 26, 2008 at 2:29 am
jane doe
its unbelievable that people would be skeptical about such a thing as seeing angels while we have miracles happening every other day! just look around! the world recovers every day!
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June 26, 2008 at 2:32 am
Jane Doe
for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who ever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
July 5, 2008 at 9:11 am
LadyofFe
Hey Pastor Steve,
I’ve read and re-read Zechariah 5. The woman in the basket is obviously wicked because the bible says she is. But, I couldn’t find nor did it appear to imply that the two women with wings(angels) were evil or wicked. I asked myself one question when I read this. Does evil cast out evil? Jesus said no.
July 8, 2008 at 8:43 am
Steve Hickey
LadyofFe - Good point. A few weeks ago I noted Dr. Gary Grieg’s paper on the Florida Revival and it’s controversial points. Check out what Dr. Grieg has to say about the angels in Zech 5. Mind you, this guy has a Ph.D in Old Testament studies and taught in seminaries subjects like Hebrew, the Minor Prophets, etc. You can find his comments on pages 33-34 of the document at this link…
http://www.freshfire.ca/UserFiles/File/drGreg_biblicalperspective2008.pdf
Blessings
July 10, 2008 at 9:32 am
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August 5, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Rob Cottrell
I am just starting to look into all this stuff about Todd. As i have friends who are involved. I attended one meeting in Uk and my son was about to attend a Todd conference.
Two points from the above:-
1) Can/should we ask God to send angels or release angels to help us, is there any Biblical basis for this-
I think there is some - Our Lord Jesus said prior to the cross that He could ask His Father and He would send 12 legions of angels to Him. He did not do so but said He could. Jesus is our example so it seems we could also ask the Father for such assistance. I have never done this myself but have relied on the Holy Spirit and left it up to the Lord whether He chose to send angels. I will consider this further.
2) The two female winged beings seen by Zechariah seem to be and represent evil, as they were taking the basket to the land of Shinar to build a house for it Zech. 5:11. The plain of Shinar was the site of the tower of Bable and a demonic gateway into the earth Gen. ch. 11. Also read Deuteronomy ch. 32 which talks in detail about the demonic princes of the divided nations. They are referred to as the ‘rocks’ that these nations trusted in. The nations were divided according to the number of the sons of God (i.e. angelic beings) Deut. 32:8 (’Sons of God’ according to the Septugint i.e. Greek translation of OT about 250 BC and one Massoretict text other texts say ’sons of Israel’)
I also know personaly a young man healed from a brain tuma at a Todd meeting in the UK. After a year of continual medical follow up - without tratment he has been totally cleared by the hospital. The tuma disapeared immediatly, they could not find it when he went for treatment following the meeting my son took him to. I was present in the meeting when the young man was called out by By Bobby Conner (Todd did not speak that night).
However none of this prooves this is from God. I have previously encountered false spirits in Charismatic churches. Things that start well can be led astray by them. But the fact is the church as a whole is the devils prime target and his agent lurk in plenty of evangelical churches also. They may not be so visible or demonstrative but every church in the grip of spiritual coldness Rev. 3 or complacency in the work of the gospel indicates their prescence.
I have just become aware of the concerns about Todd and begining to research stuff on the net. In due time i will post what i have surveyed.